If this consolidation happens, then if they look at the folks who have been here, then B.I. Salyers and Jimbo Adams would be the new coaches, especially if Norton comes in. All sorts of decisions to be made.
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If this consolidation happens, then if they look at the folks who have been here, then B.I. Salyers and Jimbo Adams would be the new coaches, especially if Norton comes in. All sorts of decisions to be made.
Conventional wisdom would say that with the job Salyers and Adams have done but what if Hamilton at Coeburn continues to build that program and would upset someone in the playoffs? If Palmer were to get the job at PV and they had a nice run the next two years he has more experince than both Jimbo and BI it could be a little more interesting and give all of us a lot to discuss.
B.I. really has no interest in sticking around he is trying to get out of Wise as it is and wants to move on to other pastures.
You are right about that but I personally don't see norton coming in to this mess. And I have heard the same thing about BI.Quote:
Originally Posted by retiredteach
Some people on here actually think Powell Valley is still a great coaching job, but it all reality it is not even a top five coaching position. I am surprised that it has drawn what little interest it has. Who wants to come to a down program in the mess that is Wise Co. Schools and get in a political firestorm and coach football. Powell Valley is not the second best program in Virginia and has not been for ten years. When will reality sit in and when will people realize that PV is just about to be a footnote in the history books of VHSL football. You can not continue in the past so you might as well get ready cause things are changing.
If someone goes into a job interview and they have coached at powell valley and had a .500 or better record, he is going to have a much better shot than a guy who comes in from coeburn with the same record, politics aside. PV may not be what they once were, but you can't dismiss the history, especially when you leave Southwest Virginia. That's my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by heneedsa
Any coach that is making a career of coaching should always be open to new opportunities to better themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sat_morning_QB
But as for B.I. having no interest in sticking around, I think you are way off base.
How can you say or think that? PV may not be what they used to be. They're obviously in a big drought that they may not get out of because it's not going to last much longer as a school.Quote:
Originally Posted by heneedsa
You can't ignore what all Powell Valley has done. It's like Notre Dame. They're not really any good now but if their coaching position is open, you can't ignore their past. The same goes for Michigan, who unless I am wrong has the highest winning percentage.
Right now, I believe Powell Valley, just in 30 years has the most state titles of any A school in Virginia. They may not be any good right now but you can't ignore that.
Whoever gets the position (Travis) they will have some good athletes to work with. Things will get on track and they will be able to compete. We have to admit that PV has a heck of a schedule to compete in as well, I think this makes teams better when they play better competetion guys. I am sure the weight lifting program will be a high priority along with discpline to do what needs to be done when it needs to be done and do it that way all the time.
Once again I have nothing against Travis, but you gotta wonder why they even have interviews at all. I just don't see why he would get it over Mark. What a waste of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by valour
I am not ignoring PV's history, I said it will just be a footnote in history real soon. You have to move on. We do not get in a wagon train and go west anymore, we drive or fly. We don't have outhouses anymore we have indoor plumbing. Things change, the hell that has been raised just on this web site (about Wise County, and consolidation) would be enough to discourage anyone not to have anything to do with the mess that is Wise County. If you are a coach and want to move to job where you will finish 5-5 go ahead, but your telling me 5-5 is better because it is at PV. Come on man.
First of all I said .500 or better and second of all it is absolutely true that a .500 or better record at PV is gonna get you farther in the interview process than a .500 or better record at Coeburn and that is simply because of the history AND the schedule. May mean the difference between the bottom of the pile of resumes and the top.Quote:
Originally Posted by heneedsa
Also, I never said anybody WANTED to get a job and go 5-5. If a coach is worth anything he wants to win every game.
And as far as your logic regarding methods of transportation and delapidated defication facilities, if you think that things have changed that much since the 1990's, I guess in 10 years we will be crapping in our cell phones. ;)
On paper you are right Palmer is the man, but I guess that doesnt matter in situations like this. You are right in saying that the interview process is usually for nothing because they already have their mind made up, but they have to do the interview process.Quote:
Originally Posted by joedirt
Travis seems to be the popular choice as of now, is this fair to Palmer? I would have to agree with you and actually say it is not fair, but as we both know this is the way it goes. I feel Travis can and will do a good job and I also believe Palmer would do a good job. For that matter I think Morris would do a good job as well. The decision has not been announced yet so who know the outcome? I think it will be Turner, but it could be a shocker as they announce Palmer as new head coach.
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Originally Posted by Sportsman*
I am 100% correct the words came out of his mouth directly to me in a conversation, even know the schools he is interested in.
either way, that's probably not something he would want you posting on here. I'm with Sportsman, don't think he's going anywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sat_morning_QB
I'd be shocked if BI left Kelly before consolidation.
Joe you can crap on whoever or where ever you want. I don't care. The Roman Empire fell, the Berlin came down. Do you honestly think that whichever coach PV gets matters. If they got Jeff Fischer or Knute Rockne the coach can't produce talent and the Vikings are lacking in that department right now, and also do you honestly believe that the Vikings in their last two years will be anything other than a 5-5 team. I don't think you understand the argument. It just doesn't matter who coaches them. Why don't you put in for the job, you seem to know that we will be crapping in cell phones in ten years.
awful lot of arrogance from a guy who supports two programs who are nowhere near as tradition rich as PV.
Every team has down spells. PV WILL be back if we keep a school, and they will be a top dog again. Its fun to kick a team when they are down, but just 6 years ago PV was playing for a state title and three years ago they were winning Region D and SMASHING GC at GC in the playoffs.
Personally I would think if Mark Palmer wants the job he should be given very serious consideration.
I don't think you understand the argument. And replying back to me with what I say to you doesn't really reinforce anything. So you think it doesn't matter who gets the job. It may not matter to you, and it may not matter to many other people. It will matter to whoever gets the job. If Palmer is offered the job, he will take it. And it will either be a stepping stone to the new consolidated job or to a better job somewhere else. I just don't see someone looking at a resume and seeing powell valley high school on there and laughing and saying "haha what a fool! nobody cares that you coached there! the roman empire fell! powell valley is a horrible job. now, if you coached at coeburn, let's talk money!"Quote:
Originally Posted by heneedsa
I am not arrogant but a student of history, and whether or not Powell Valley is ever good again I don't know. But to think that will be as good as they once is well "nuts". Just about everyone on here when they can't make a point just start calling people names and changing argument. If you can not see PV for what it is then I can't help you.
I never once called you a name or changed the argument. Go back and read what I have said from the very beginning. I am clearly stating my position from a standpoint of a coaching career. Mark Palmer is a head football coach and will retire that way. If he sees the powell valley job as a step in the right direction and a step up from st paul, he is a wise man.Quote:
Originally Posted by heneedsa
Will he win state at powell valley if he gets the job? I don't know. You don't either. I remember that Clintwood was 4-6 a few years back and a year or two later they were playing in the state championship. I remember the comments that were made on here that year. People questioning coach mullins and his play calling. Clintwood was done. Golden days were over. Heck, pound beat them that year 14-0. Then, BAM, playing for a state championship.
Don't get me wrong, I detest powell valley baby blue. Not a clintwood fan either. But commons sense and reason need not be thrown out the door just because you are not a fan of that program. You obviously don't like Powell valley. But that don't mean it's not a good move for Palmer. Just apples to apples my friend.
I didnt call you a name; i said its an awful arrogant statement to assume that PV can never be great again.Quote:
Originally Posted by heneedsa
And it is arrogant; Your whole argument is that PV football is terrible and will never be contenders again, saying 5-5 is as good as it gets, etc...
So dont be a baby when I point out that PV was a state title runner up 6 years ago and Region D champs three years ago. You act like PV has been down for a long time and the talent has totally disappeared. Nobody expects 4 state titles in 6 years like when the Jones' were playing, but PV has been a perennial Region D contender before and after the Jones'. PV didnt start nor will it stop because TJ and JJ are gone.
My point is made fine; PV has made the playoffs every year and been a LPD contender every year since I (and probably you) have been born. You are acting as if PV will never be great again, how in the hell can you know that? Do you have a magic ball? Can you tell the future? Just because PV has had two down years does not mean the program is dead and cannot be ressurected.
So instead of acting like I am flaming you how bout you address the real points? the FACTS I laid out?
and what is PV? if I cant see it for what it is, how bout you share what PV really is? Since a person close to the program and a part of PV football for almost 20 years now has no idea what PV really is, why dont you, an outsider who hates PV, tell me how it really is...........
YOu are right, PV has been down but there are a good group of athletes to work with there right now. Another thing to consider is they have a very tough schedule from the get go. The right person in place and putting the focus on the were the struggle is can produce a better team I believe and get the most out of what is there.Quote:
Originally Posted by heneedsa
Trying to figure out how old state titles translates to a new coach that didn't have anything to do with them, shoots him to the front of the pack? Pretty crazy logic. And how is BI some shoe-in? You can say huge turn around, but not anywhere to go but up when you're having winless, 1, 2 win seasons.
And no, PV's days are over, the LPD's days are over. Its not some PV hate talking, consolidation is going to take place and I don't see this return to the glory days that quickly before consolidation- like it matters anyway, all of this will be forgotten(even more so) in a decade.
Kevin Saunders was the one that facilitated the turnaround at Kelly, BI was just he recipient of what Saunders did. Yes BI has kept it going but hasn't really progressed it any, if Saunders were still there Kelly makes it deep in the playoffs a few times.
As if you saw PV for what it really was. You're pretty biased to be brutally honest. I mean seriously, saying it won't matter who PV gets as a coach? PV is in a down spell. May last through the next two years. May not. With a program like PV's the past 30 years, no matter how far down in talent they are, it's goofy to say it doesn't matter who PV gets. It obviously matters to whoever gets the job. It obviously matters to PV. It may matter to many of PV's opponents because whoever gets the job may be able to bring them up to a higher level than .500.Quote:
Originally Posted by heneedsa
PV's history? Right....Quote:
Originally Posted by R13
Calm down everyone. I know PV's history. They produced the greatest high school player I ever got to see play (Thomas Jones), I sat in the stands at Norton and saw him run for almost 400 yards. I have been to PV many times. I have rooted for them and against them many times. I saw the PV-Appy game nine straight years, during the nineties and early two thousands. I know PV's place in history, but in two years PV will not exist anymore, they will be ?high in a school consolidation. So in all honesty it really does not matter, you can either see it or you can't. I just hope that Norton doesn't join so they can play A football, because if they do the two schools will AA and that is probably the hardest division to win in VHSL.
if you were in teh stand at norton like you say you were, then you know its not almost 400, its OVER 400, 462 if i remember correctly.
I guess since I couldn't remember exact number I wasn't at game. But whatever. What are the Powell Valley people going to do when it is gone. Meet at Bullitt Park every Friday @ 7:30 and sit in the stands and imagine. Good luck with that. Maybe you and whoever the last coach at Powell Valley is can coach the pretend team to the state title, maybe that's how PV will be that good again, it will be in your mind. Roll Tide.
[QUOTE=R13;1851675]Trying to figure out how old state titles translates to a new coach that didn't have anything to do with them, shoots him to the front of the pack? Pretty crazy logic.QUOTE]
Let me put it in simple terms: It's like when you are filling out a job application for head chef at a nice restaurant and you have 6 years at Mcdonald's as head burger flipper(Coeburn) or 2 years at the Gordon Ramsay in London (Powell Valley). Which do you think looks better? I know what most people would say, but if you think this is crazy logic then I might can make it a little more simple for you. Just let me know and I will do my best.
[quote=joedirt;1851751]:laffingassoff::laffingassoff:Quote:
Originally Posted by R13
Id say its Turners job, Im not sure why Palmer would be any better anyway?
keep flapping those gums, do you really think Wise Co. will ever get anything done?Quote:
Originally Posted by heneedsa
have we (wise co.) ever shown that this thing might ever get finished?
if BSG keeps a school, I will make it my own personal goal to do everything possible to make PV a winner again.
we were winners before, we've been winners for years, and we will continue to win.
you dont kill tradition, it only takes small breaks. Were the Steelers down for long? Was USC down for long? Alabama? the Yankees? GC didnt win a state title for like 25 years between the 70's and 90's, were they dead?
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now you get a history lesson:
BIG STONE GAP, Va. — Twenty-six years later it’s hard to believe, almost laughable. But in the fall of 1983, the pressure was real for Phil Robbins.
Taking over a Powell Valley High School football program that had won the Virginia High School League Group A state title the year before, he quickly discovered that football fever had engulfed this Wise County community.
“I came into a program that was on top,” Robbins said. “My motivation and my greatest fear was to not let this program slide [because] when I came in, everything was in place.
They had a great feeder program in this town and a great support system in this town.
“Powell Valley High School, in 50 years, has never had a booster club. Our booster club is the town. The support system was in place.”
However, Robbins took the program to greater heights. A strong program became a great one. A winning program became the most decorated in Southwest Virginia, the eight state championship trophies providing proof.
The beginning
James Bolling guided Powell Valley to its first state title in 1982, when the Vikings went 12-0-1 and posted a thrilling 14-13 victory over Madison County in the state final.
Versatile running back Forty Jackson was the offensive star, while quarterback Jim Jessee and players such as Mike Tiller, Wayne McKinney and Troy Chandler also emerged as postseason heroes.
Meanwhile, Robbins had just completed a successful run in the New River Valley, guiding once-lowly Christiansburg to four consecutive non-losing seasons.
When Bolling vacated the Powell Valley position, Robbins immediately became a candidate.
After accepting the job, it didn’t take him long to discover the passion that is prevalent every Friday night in the Lonesome Pine District.
“One of the first things when I came down here, someone said, ‘What’s the difference?’ ” Robbins said. “I said, ‘Well, I can name you the five people standing at the fence when we made the playoffs in Christiansburg. Down here, you’re looking more at naming the five people who weren’t there.’
“That was just a significant difference.”
Robbins’ team compiled an unbeaten regular season and won the Region D title in his first season as head coach, but suffered a heartbreaking loss to Parry McCluer in the state
semifinals.
“That hurt,” Robbins said. “I cried. I thought here we have a great opportunity to win this thing and the next week, they went on to beat Madison [in the state championship game]. I thought, we’ve blown our chance to win a state championship, and I don’t know if we’ll ever get it again.”
The 1980s
That playoff loss in ’83 set in motion a drive and determination among Powell Valley’s players to win another state title. It happened two years later as the Vikings went 12-1 and posted a thrilling 28-27 win over Lunenburg Central in the championship game.
“To be the first to win a championship for Coach Robbins at Powell Valley, I hope that holds a special place in his heart,” said Bobby Bloomer, a wide receiver on that team. “All of his players that year and many years after will have those memories of winning for life.”
Eupton Jackson was the main playmaker in ’85. He knocked down an attempted game-winning two-point conversion pass to seal the win in the title game.
“He could kick, punt, catch, run, tackle,” Robbins said. “He could do it all.”
The next year, the VHSL instituted its divisional format, increasing the number of state champs from three to six. Powell Valley won the Group A, Division 2 title in 1989 with a team that consisted of 19 seniors and 20 juniors.
Tailback Keith Hall finished that season with 2,116 rushing yards.
“Keith was just an outstanding runner,” Robbins said. “He had speed; he had significant speed. He had great football speed. He ran as fast with his football uniform on as he did without his football uniform.”
Hall set school rushing records that might be untouchable at most area schools, but the 1990s brought new stars, numerous records and more titles to Powell Valley.
The 1990s
Powell Valley repeated as state champion in 1990, again beating Lunenburg Central. Quarterback Robbie Duncan shook off a knee injury that season to help the Vikings repeat.
The team was full of veterans who had started on the varsity for two and three years.
“After the first game of the year, I don’t think we were on the practice field for more than an hour and a half,” Robbins said. “They practiced at game pace every single day, and they were a smart and intelligent group.”
Powell Valley repeated as champions in 1994 and 1995 behind the exploits of running back Thomas Jones. Jones set numerous school and state records, including a legendary 462-yard outburst in 1994 against rival J.I. Burton.
Jones was so dominant that moments after leading Powell Valley to a win over Northampton in the 1995 state title game, the opposing players were asking for his autograph.
“We just had a bunch of blue-collar players on that team, with a CEO in the backfield,” Robbins said.
Powell Valley added state titles in 1997 and 1998, with a younger Jones brother, Julius, leading the Vikings to two unbeaten seasons.
The ’97 team had regular-season wins over two schools that also brought state titles back to Southwest Virginia – Appalachia and Gate City. The ’98 team had no weaknesses, Robbins said.
“I never like to compare,” the coach said. “But the ’98 team was so good everywhere. Again, Julius put it over the hump, but the ’98 team could have very well won the state championship if Julius wasn’t playing.”
The legacy
The trophy case outside of Powell Valley’s gym offers a walk through history. Hundreds of pictures of the Vikings’ greatest players hang on the wall, including shrines paying tribute to the two most famous alums, the Jones brothers – Thomas with the New York Jets and Julius with the Seattle Seahawks.
There are also those eight gold trophies behind the glass that are the goal for every high school team.
“To sit back in the years, to come and watch Powell Valley run off six more championships was a treat to watch,” Bloomer said. “You know having been there yourself the amount of planning, work, discipline, structure and heart that was going into all of it.”
Much of the credit goes to Robbins. He’s won with different schemes and formations, annually played one of the toughest schedules, surrounded himself with strong coaching staffs
and given a top-notch effort for his players.
“Coach Robbins has high expectations for anyone he coaches, and he stays in tune with what his players are doing off the field,” said Michael Prewitt, a star on the ’97 and ’98 teams. “He never hid his feelings. If he was proud, you knew it. If he was disappointed, you knew that too.”
Josh Callahan, a defensive back and special teams ace on the 1997 and 1998 squads, echoed those sentiments.
“It’s funny, because I respect him so much, I was always wanting to get his approval and his vote of confidence,” Callahan said. “I mean, he’s arguably the best high school football coach ever in Southwest Virginia – maybe in Virginia, period.
“It was important for me to make an impact and be on his radar, you know. I wanted to be a good player for him. Great coaches make you feel that way. I’d do anything for him.”
Perhaps Paul Clendenon, a lineman on the 1989 and 1990 title teams and now a teacher and coach at the school, summed it up best.
“I enjoyed my years playing for Coach Robbins, and I enjoyed coaching with him,” Clendenon said. “I learned a lot about football and coaching from hanging around PVHS. The most important thing I’ve learned from him is to enjoy coaching kids no matter what the sport. Coaching is his life.”
A life that has been good for the last 26 years in Big Stone Gap.
“It’s just been a mesh or whatever you want to say,” Robbins said. “It’s just been phenomenal.”
listen, I know what you are saying. Im not stupid, theres a pretty good chance PV will be no more very soon. And if thats the case, nobody believes PV will win two state titles in two years or anything like that. But you are insulting PV and all the people that gave their blood and sweat to the program by simply writing them off forever. Yes, if PV gets shut down, the vaunted PVHS football tradition dies.
but if BSG is able to keep a school, a single A school, do not be foolish enough to assume that PV will never be towards the top of the region.
the funniest thing is that PV is always a playoff team, and has won the region in the last six years. They played for a Region title as little as what, three years ago??
to quote the greatest comedian ever,
I (we) aint dead yet, motherfu**ers
All you do is win? Good song bad example, a sterling 91-50 this decade (that means the last ten years) Powell Valley's record the last five years is a remarkable 31-26, my seem like all that winning is going up the road to Burton, Clintwood and Kelly, who has a better record than winning all the time PV. (31-21). Just keep on winning, baby. Just always remember you are what your record says you are. Roll Tide.
You are also who you play, best play the best ! win or lose !Quote:
Originally Posted by heneedsa
Keep neglecting the fact that PV plays one of the toughest schedules around and has won playoff games in the last four years, and played for the Region title three years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by heneedsa
I now know you are trolling, by claiming Wise has been a better team when JJK has beaten PV like twice in like 10 years
head-to-head>>>>>>>>>>record
JJK has had a better record than PV the last two years; but PV has beaten them both years. If your record means all, how in the hell is that possible?